FP: Let's Make More Laws Impeding People Who's Vehicles We Don't Like

"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips) 02/18/2015 at 14:46 • Filed to: FP

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That is what the QOTD of the day consists of. Tis a shit storm.

Fuck off you freedom sucking bastards.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 14:51

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To be fair a lot of bro trucks and stanced cars are pretty dangerous.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 02/18/2015 at 14:55

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9/10, Actual bro-trucks aren't daily drivers. Slightly lifted ones, sure, but the 12 inch lifted on 40's are not. Also, since most of the bro-trucks are of the HD variety, they have huge as brakes and can stop decently well. Stanced cars on the other hand, suck ass at all things, but as long as they aren't on stretched tires, I don't really care. Except at speed bumps. Source, drive a lifted SUV, it's plenty maneuverable and stops just fine.

Mercedes Streeter > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 14:57

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Unpopular opinion here. But the same license that grants you the privilege to drive this:

Shouldn't be the same license to grant you privilege to drive this:

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 02/18/2015 at 14:57

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What about a stanced bro-truck?

TheHondaBro > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 14:58

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This is pretty cool, but the axles pretty much eliminate any ground clearance it gains.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 14:58

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I agree there, but that is not a truck, that is bus.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 14:59

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The problem with the trucks is they ride up over anything they crash into. The same reason lorries need these...

HammerheadFistpunch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:00

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man, that lift law conversation got ugly. I'm having my own lovely little chat with a particular individual I've had trouble with before regarding vehicle weight.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > TheHondaBro 02/18/2015 at 15:00

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Not really, because those move with the wheel. Also, this is more of a beach truck.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:00

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10/10 lie. There are plenty of people who DD trucks with 35-40".

source: michigan

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:01

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That is an RV, not a bus.

HammerheadFistpunch > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 15:01

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Its true, the smart is much more likely to kill you.

/itsajoke

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:01

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I don't think most people understand that if done right, it isn't much different to drive than stock. It's all about the driver, and morons drive cars of every sort. Even Miatas.

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:02

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Says the guy whose engine & trans weighs 1k by themselves.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 02/18/2015 at 15:02

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Would the stance and bro balance into stock?

Mercedes Streeter > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:02

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A bro-truck is just as dangerous as a stanced car. Depending on the builder, there can be questionable quality and longevity. Then the amount of lift can defeat the vehicle's safety features (sure, you'll be fine, but can't say the same about cars you may hit) and any improper calculations will throw the centre of gravity all out of whack.

And don't even get me started on bro-truck lighting.

Looks like you have a properly modified SUV, kudos to you! :)
Unfortunately, most bro-trucks aren't like yours.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 02/18/2015 at 15:02

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It's more of a bus than a truck.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 02/18/2015 at 15:03

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I'm thinking of keeping the obnoxious stacks, light bars, bull bars, and off-road rims, but over street tires and slammed to the ground.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 02/18/2015 at 15:04

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35 to 40 inch tires aren't that big of a deal, it's the insane lifts that I am more talking about.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:04

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True.

Garrett Davis > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:06

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Where would I find this?

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 02/18/2015 at 15:06

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haha! are you in on that one? man its nutty.

HammerheadFistpunch > Garrett Davis 02/18/2015 at 15:07

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I can't encourage you to join this fight, as per oppo policy, but if you want to see it take place it shouldn't be hard to find.

Garrett Davis > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:08

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Ah, I forgot. Just want to peruse. I'll find it.

Mercedes Streeter > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:09

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I know, I'm just saying in general that there should be some sort of restrictions. Like if your vehicle is based on a commercial vehicle (as most RVs and vehicles like the International CXT are), you should have to have a license to drive it.

As far as pickups? Can't do much about it. Stock, they aren't bad...it's only when idiots decide that they want to lift their cab to semi tractor height for no good reason...

Nonster > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:13

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While I am not a fan of Bro-trucks. I don't like the idea of adding regulations to prevent them. Its not like they're a menace to society out there running over puppies and babies.

Ducky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:17

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as someone in one of those miatas i can assure you there are lots of huge, lifted brodozers in my college town.

BigBlock440 > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 15:17

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Getting hit with the tire is probably safer than getting hit with the bumpers at stock height. Much less energy dissipation needed.

TheHondaBro > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:17

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It's an Accord Coupe.

1.21 JIGGA WATTS!!! > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:19

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Tried looking...and got lost somewhere in the 850 comments and gave up. I can imagine though, and sympathize. You're pretty levelheaded around here, and yes, I'm taking sides without reading the argument. I'm okay with that.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Nonster 02/18/2015 at 15:20

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Quite the opposite:

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:24

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"Live Free or Die"

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:24

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ha no, I just saw your post about it like a week ago. Ill go check out the FP though …. its always entertaining.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 02/18/2015 at 15:25

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This guy....man alive we've gone the rounds before.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Ducky 02/18/2015 at 15:25

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What is your definition of huge:

Because a lot of the huge I've seen on here is, "'Honey there is a huge spider in the shower!' When in reality it is just a small spider cricket." huge.

HammerheadFistpunch > 1.21 JIGGA WATTS!!! 02/18/2015 at 15:27

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I'm surprisingly okay with that too.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:27

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I mean thats what I'm talking about too. Michigan has a bumper height law, but no here gives a damn. So I see plenty of (bro)trucks with large ass tires and the body/bumpers completely clear them like in that pic.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 02/18/2015 at 15:28

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Those are a bit overkill, but still as long as you aren't an asshat about it, you can still see more out of them than a new Camaro.

jariten1781 > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 15:28

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Meh. It's not like there's a rash of RV related wrecks going around. Most people, if they get into one and are incapable of driving it safely, stop driving. The ones that keep on truckin', as it were, are the problem and they're the exact same people who would blow off getting a license if it was a requirement. Same as they do today with motorcycle licenses.

I understand the gut reasoning behind it, but I don't see any real-world benefits of adding a restriction.

Sn210 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:28

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I don't get the whole "I'm not going to wear my seatbelt because they told me I had to" thing. Just wear your damn seatbelt.

The other one I agree with is the backup cams. I've had 3 of my cars backed into. All of those accidents could have been prevented with cameras. Think of it less for you and more for them, the other drivers

1.21 JIGGA WATTS!!! > HammerheadFistpunch 02/18/2015 at 15:30

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I believe I saw the post finally, saw the sheer amount of words written, and went:

WiscoProud > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:30

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I see 6" lifts with 35" almost everyday on the roads. Granted the bigger trucks with 37"+ aren't nearly as common. Will I don't have a problem with lifts or big tires (33.5" on my cruiser at the moment) its concerning to see trucks on the highway where the bumper is up to my window.

I will also say there is a big difference between a proper suspension lift and lift blocks. I see older trucks with tall lift blocks all the time. That is scary.

TotallyThatStupid > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:31

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"Defend Hawaii"

Really?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Sn210 02/18/2015 at 15:35

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I was more talking about the "It should be illegal to lift your vehicle, but it's okay to lower your car to the point of impeding traffic." ones. I agree on the seat belt and back up cams, though I think a lot of your problem is just people who don't have the time in their mind to pay the fuck attention.

lucky's pepper > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 15:36

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I agree completely. Driving an RV should require a CDL. But then I also think a regular OL should be much more difficult to get and there should be mandatory periodic retests.

I don't want restrictions on the vehicles, I just want to make sure the person behind the wheel is capable of operating the thing competently.

A loaded tractor-trailer operated by an excellent driver is safer than a moped operated by an asshat.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 02/18/2015 at 15:37

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Extremely.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:38

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Ha! Ha, ha! Dude, there are like three bro-trucks just in my parking lot at work. These things get dailied, and especially in Florida.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2015 at 15:38

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More dangerous, perhaps.

and 100 more > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:40

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You haven't been to Texas lately, have you?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > jariten1781 02/18/2015 at 15:41

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I'll admit, I'm that guy who blew off getting his motorcycle license.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 15:41

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Yeah but lets be honest, those are the least of your problems driving in Florida. The State Troopers are even ahead on the danger zone, at least in NWF. Plus, where in Florida are you, you could be close to a place I would never go, but at least the trucks get used.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 02/18/2015 at 15:42

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I kinda want to see that happen.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > and 100 more 02/18/2015 at 15:42

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No, but from what I've seen here, a bro-truck can be a truck that is simply leveled.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:44

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I'm in in South Florida. It may as well be a different state. They're not the most problematic thing on the road since they're at least easyish to avoid when moving, but I still don't like the idea of (literally) getting my cars run over instead of rear-ended because their bumper is higher than my roof.

Meatcoma > TheHondaBro 02/18/2015 at 15:45

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Actually it's a mini convertible!

and 100 more > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:45

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I guess you could make the arguement that the bro is not necessarily an integral part of the truck...

That said, there are many truck around here that run massive tires on top of a ridiculous lift, and do so daily. "Fuel economy" is a four-letter word in these parts.

Sn210 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:46

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yeah I had a line in there saying I wasn't trying to hijack your thread, but I deleted it :/

I really think regulating both lifted/lowered cars would be a massive waste of time. Id imagine the percentage of these cars on the road out of all the cars has got to be in the single digits. Everyone has to back up their car at some point, not everyone will own a car with an altered height.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 15:47

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See, I see it differently. When an elderly person in Prius cuts me off by pulling out in front of me like it happens every time I leave my house, if I for some reason couldn't stop in time to not t-bone them, I could drive away from a fatal accident.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > and 100 more 02/18/2015 at 15:48

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12mpg lyfe.

Mercedes Streeter > jariten1781 02/18/2015 at 15:50

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You are right, there probably aren't a huge string of RV wrecks (thankfully) because it seems anyone with enough money to afford one can figure out how to drive one.

But I used it as a common example of how unsettling it is that your regular driver's license basically allows you to drive mostly anything with wheels that weighs less than a diesel-electric locomotive.

My favorite example are 26' rental trucks. If I had a nickel for every time I saw a U-Haul driving poorly (I even saw one completely murder a mailbox!) or even something larger like an ex-schoolbus doing the same...I'd probably only have enough to buy a Nissan Versa. :(

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 02/18/2015 at 15:50

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Me too.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 15:54

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As the guy in the MR2 or BRZ whose head is at their rocker panel height when the bro decides to change lanes without looking, I'm annoyed. I know that not everyone's a terrible driver, but most people are, and being in a truck with the COG raised a foot and a half just compounds the situation. These things are actually illegal in many places for safety reasons, and while I'm usually the first person to yell "freedom/America fuck yeah!" and let people get on with doing their thing, this attitude ends when stupid decisions affect innocent bystanders.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 15:57

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Yeah, but how often is it bro truck kills civilian? Versus, Honda Civic involved in fatal accident killing family of four, street racing played a factor?

Garrett Davis > TheHondaBro 02/18/2015 at 15:58

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Bigger tires = more axle clearance.

jariten1781 > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 16:00

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Haha, tons of people do it. I was seriously considering it when I somehow lost my motorcycle endorsement after getting 3 different state's licenses while bopping place to place in the Navy. Ended up wasting my time going to an MSF course again since there was no way in WA state to get my bike to the test station without someone else riding it or trailering it in legally.

It's also why I think it's silly every time weight restricted licenses, or retesting every X years, or pulling old folks licenses comes up. It creates a burden on everyone even though the vast majority of people aren't going to go out there and do anything that is grossly unsafe to themselves or others. The folks who will go out there when they're not safe to be driving (be it age, vehicle type, infirmity, etc)? A piece of paper ain't gonna stop em.

It's just as Mr. Mencken said:

There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong.

Mercedes Streeter > BigBlock440 02/18/2015 at 16:02

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True! But unless the truck's bumper clear's the car's roof, I don't think the tyres would be very relevant. I mean shoot, this Ram only has like a minimal lift, but imagine if that was a side impact crash?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 16:02

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I don't know, and neither do you. It's easier to find newspaper articles about street racing accidents because they sell papers, but I doubt that the DOT has any way to look at statistics per miles driven on bro-trucks. It doesn't matter anyway because it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. It would be a bit like saying "Atom bombs are fine because hydrogen bombs have a greater yield" only it's not because we have data on that. They're both shit.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > jariten1781 02/18/2015 at 16:06

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Yeah, in Florida I have to go to a private company for a multi-day class. I'm not doing that. I've got shit to do. I'm not a danger to anyone else when on my bike, so it's a different scenario. Also, cops rarely pull bikes over, and even if they did, I'd probably feign ignorance, give him my regular license, and act confused. I was riding around without a license plate for a while without realizing it when my brother was making a new mount and no one noticed.

and 100 more > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 16:11

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#rollingcoal

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 16:11

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Not really, it just shows certain groups of drivers are known and statistically proven to be worse drivers, or at least more careless, and wouldn't ya know, it's the "Because Racecar" drivers.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > and 100 more 02/18/2015 at 16:24

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Well if I had the Toyota diesel they wouldn't sell us in the Land of the Free(Some Conditions May Apply), it would be mid to upper 20's, but freedom and all.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > TotallyThatStupid 02/18/2015 at 16:27

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Yeah, I lived there many years, I have always thought it was a little associated with the locals only/return Hawaii to Hawaiians movement. An upside down Hawaiian flag indicates a person wants Hawaii to be its own country. Of course most people in Hawaii never leave Hawaii, except to go gamble in Las Vegas.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 16:27

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Mind pulling up those statistics? There are plenty showing that young and old drivers are more likely to be in an accident, but none that I know of that break it down by car culture subtype.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 02/18/2015 at 16:30

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Well the fact that street racing is a problem is enough of a statistic in it's own right.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 16:43

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People street race in all kinds of things. I've seen two brodozers trying to outrun each other from a stop light before. Like I said before, you're not making a point that is relevant to your argument. My argument is that vehicles that high off the ground are fundamentally unsafe for vehicles around them when they crash. You don't seem to disagree. You even mentioned being able to run over a Prius. Complaining about street racing, which is also stupid and fundamentally unsafe, says nothing about the safety of bro trucks. In my legal-for-the-road cars (one of which is actually new, and pretty safe), I am likely to get very badly hurt if rear ended by a big one even at low speed because the wheels are able to climb on top of my car. The frame will not come in contact with my frame, so there will be nothing to slow it down. Now, what of people in convertibles? They don't have a roof or roll bar like I do. The bro-truck will end up in the cabin with the driver. Sorry dude, that's fucked up, and incredibly dick. I'd rather be rear-ended by a semi than a brodozer, because at least that was designed to be on the road with normal vehicles. I'm not going to be literally run over by one if rear ended. It will suck, yes, but I won't be sharing a seat with a wheel, you dig?

TotallyThatStupid > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 02/18/2015 at 16:47

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So... kind of like Texas?

Ducky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 16:59

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the first, definitely. F250s with lifts. just because i drive a small car doesn't mean i don't know about trucks dude.

and it's always these dudes who put light bars and shit on their trucks so if by the grace of god their headlights are above my roof i'm still getting hit with their bumper mounted LEDs to blind me with shit all i can do about it.

Ducky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 17:02

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that's the right attitude. "my shit will kill the other guy, but hey, i'll be okay!"

why not drive a truck that is within legal parameters and won't destroy my scalp in a collision?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Ducky 02/18/2015 at 17:11

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Because I am well within all 50 states parameters. And to number 1, it wouldn't be a problem if people would pay the fuck attention or not drive a rolling blind spot. Your mistakes are not my problem, and I will make sure they stay not my problem.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > TotallyThatStupid 02/18/2015 at 17:15

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Yeah, but the people in Texas who think that way are mainly of European descent I think, Hawaii is quite different. Although so many people have immigrated to Hawaii in the last 200 years its hard to argue that a culture would be restored.

Tripper > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/18/2015 at 17:31

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I would say that some modified vehicles are unsafe, but I would also say "who cares" because I'm way more likely to be killed by some jackass on a cellphone than I am some jabroni in a "bro truck" or "stanced" car. Although I'm sure that's going to be a tough statistic to prove, I think most would agree.

Also a lot of people are mentioning lifted trucks. I can honestly say that I have seen more Ferrari 458's that I have seen trucks that have been lifted more than a few inches, but I'm sure that is just geography.

TotallyThatStupid > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 02/18/2015 at 17:31

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I was only half-kidding about Texas, but your point about Hawaiian immigration is taken.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Tripper 02/18/2015 at 18:01

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I live in the Southeast, and while I've heard of the legends, I see very few trucks lifted more than 5-6 inches. There are a fuckton of stanced Civics and Miatas. But it's always a Prius or Buick that causes problems.

BigBlock440 > Mercedes Streeter 02/19/2015 at 07:48

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That's kinda my point. If it had the lift that everyone on here complains about, the Hyundai would have hit the tire. What would happen after that is anyone's guess, whether the tires would have rolled over the hood and flipped the truck, or it would have rolled over the roof, can't really say. But the car would have looked like that even if the truck had no lift at all.

Ducky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/19/2015 at 09:03

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god damn. zero compassion. "i've got mine, why don't you got yours?" no allowance for anyone else, just complete and total disregard for anyone who isn't you. no allowances for you making mistakes because hey, you don't make any!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Ducky 02/19/2015 at 11:10

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No I never once said I don't make mistakes, I'd just rather not suffer do to the mistakes of someone else.

functionoverfashion > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 03/02/2015 at 15:55

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As far as I could tell in my time in Hawaii, it was illegal to have a truck at STOCK height. Up or down, you choose at the dealer. But a little lift and some big tires was really useful to go out to some remote beaches, etc... if there were ever a place where people really used their lifted trucks, it was there.